Comments on: Heroes 2.1 (The Second Coming) & 2.2 (The Butterfly Effect) http://www.tvverdict.com/2008/09/23/heroes-21-the-second-coming-22-the-butterfly-effect/ Cutting through the vast wasteland of television with style and verve Thu, 29 Jul 2010 04:52:28 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Lord Jiggy http://www.tvverdict.com/2008/09/23/heroes-21-the-second-coming-22-the-butterfly-effect/comment-page-1/#comment-1117 Lord Jiggy Sun, 28 Sep 2008 00:19:29 +0000 http://www.tvverdict.com/2008/09/23/heroes-21-the-second-coming-22-the-butterfly-effect/#comment-1117 I, too, saw the complete Fly ripoff there. It was so note for note that it felt less like an homage than a sign of creative lassitude. I was not impressed. And, why did the keep Maya from last year? She only brought two assets to the show, which Mohinder noticed himself. It was only 3/4 successful. I, too, saw the complete Fly ripoff there. It was so note for note that it felt less like an homage than a sign of creative lassitude. I was not impressed. And, why did the keep Maya from last year? She only brought two assets to the show, which Mohinder noticed himself. It was only 3/4 successful.

]]> By: Zayne http://www.tvverdict.com/2008/09/23/heroes-21-the-second-coming-22-the-butterfly-effect/comment-page-1/#comment-1085 Zayne Thu, 25 Sep 2008 17:06:03 +0000 http://www.tvverdict.com/2008/09/23/heroes-21-the-second-coming-22-the-butterfly-effect/#comment-1085 That really disturbs me about the numbers Brett. I've remained loyal but I know how vocal the displeased were for the finale of season one and most of season two. I think this show has a lot of potential and I think they may find their groove this season. I just hope that people stick around long enough for the buzz to build back up and the prodigal viewers to return. I really don't want this show to start getting better and then be canceled because I'm sure the cost of this show is astronomical and I doubt that NBC would want to lose that kind of money for long if the ratings don't pop back up. I'm confused as to why the numbers fell by the 1/2 hour. I thought the premiere built up as it went along very well. That really disturbs me about the numbers Brett. I’ve remained loyal but I know how vocal the displeased were for the finale of season one and most of season two. I think this show has a lot of potential and I think they may find their groove this season. I just hope that people stick around long enough for the buzz to build back up and the prodigal viewers to return.

I really don’t want this show to start getting better and then be canceled because I’m sure the cost of this show is astronomical and I doubt that NBC would want to lose that kind of money for long if the ratings don’t pop back up.

I’m confused as to why the numbers fell by the 1/2 hour. I thought the premiere built up as it went along very well.

]]> By: BrettC http://www.tvverdict.com/2008/09/23/heroes-21-the-second-coming-22-the-butterfly-effect/comment-page-1/#comment-1084 BrettC Thu, 25 Sep 2008 15:01:37 +0000 http://www.tvverdict.com/2008/09/23/heroes-21-the-second-coming-22-the-butterfly-effect/#comment-1084 THE FLY stuff has to be an homage. I notice HEROES has a tendency to do shout outs or their own interpretations of other source material on a regular basis. They've done more than their fair share of ripping things off for it not to be on purpose. I noticed almost shot for shot the Sylar stalking Claire in the house reminded me of HALLOWEEN even down to Claire hiding in a closet. But then she didn't give him the ole Jamie Lee wire hanger to the eye. The gore factor has always been there, and I think it is part of what they hope will draw in audiences. I mean we've seen Claire in almost every sort of mangle and burn you could inflict on someone. They do push that. THE FLY stuff has to be an homage. I notice HEROES has a tendency to do shout outs or their own interpretations of other source material on a regular basis. They’ve done more than their fair share of ripping things off for it not to be on purpose.

I noticed almost shot for shot the Sylar stalking Claire in the house reminded me of HALLOWEEN even down to Claire hiding in a closet. But then she didn’t give him the ole Jamie Lee wire hanger to the eye.

The gore factor has always been there, and I think it is part of what they hope will draw in audiences. I mean we’ve seen Claire in almost every sort of mangle and burn you could inflict on someone. They do push that.

]]> By: J.M. Vargas http://www.tvverdict.com/2008/09/23/heroes-21-the-second-coming-22-the-butterfly-effect/comment-page-1/#comment-1078 J.M. Vargas Wed, 24 Sep 2008 21:05:40 +0000 http://www.tvverdict.com/2008/09/23/heroes-21-the-second-coming-22-the-butterfly-effect/#comment-1078 "The Fly" ('86 Cronenberg remake) is my favorite movie of all time. Seen it a dozen times and even upgraded to Blu-ray from my DVD copy, so I know this movie inside out. I was practically screaming at the TV when all the Mohinder scenes in his lab were taking place during the "Butterfly Effect" episode. His hair, his outfit (shirtless, barefeet and buff) as he did pirouettes and climbed the wall, the libido, the mirror... it's the freaking "Fly" almost shot-by-shot. It's got to be an homage because the alternative is that Tim Kring and Co. are just ripping off material left and right from all sources good (Cronenberg, "BSG") and bad ("The 4400"). Thank God it's scabs on Mohinder's back and not his fingernails falling off. Even for a gory show like "Heroes" that would have been too nasty for 10PM network TV sensibilities. Overall count me among the 'messy two-hour premiere but fun while it lasted' group. I was taken aback by the sex and violence (Claire's head! ) which I thought the show had gotten away from after going mainstream. Guess being ratings-starved will do that to your standards. Loved the William Katt cameo. The show has become so open-ended it could go back to either being a total bore (ala the first six episodes of Season 2 when literally nothing happened) or get into that mid-season groove from the first year when it was one jaw-dropping episode after another. I'm happy they're at least hinting that Ando might get some form of super power because that's the type of nod to the fans of the show you rarely get from a network TV show (like when "Lost" got rid of Paolo and that other girl a couple of years ago). I won't say "Heroes" is back because there are many problems (Nathan and Linderman doing the Baltar-Number Six routine all over again?) but I'm willing to stick around to see if Kring & Co. can at least thin the herd a little with some nasty violent deaths. “The Fly” (‘86 Cronenberg remake) is my favorite movie of all time. Seen it a dozen times and even upgraded to Blu-ray from my DVD copy, so I know this movie inside out. I was practically screaming at the TV when all the Mohinder scenes in his lab were taking place during the “Butterfly Effect” episode. His hair, his outfit (shirtless, barefeet and buff) as he did pirouettes and climbed the wall, the libido, the mirror… it’s the freaking “Fly” almost shot-by-shot. It’s got to be an homage because the alternative is that Tim Kring and Co. are just ripping off material left and right from all sources good (Cronenberg, “BSG”) and bad (“The 4400″). Thank God it’s scabs on Mohinder’s back and not his fingernails falling off. Even for a gory show like “Heroes” that would have been too nasty for 10PM network TV sensibilities.

Overall count me among the ‘messy two-hour premiere but fun while it lasted’ group. I was taken aback by the sex and violence (Claire’s head! ) which I thought the show had gotten away from after going mainstream. Guess being ratings-starved will do that to your standards. Loved the William Katt cameo. The show has become so open-ended it could go back to either being a total bore (ala the first six episodes of Season 2 when literally nothing happened) or get into that mid-season groove from the first year when it was one jaw-dropping episode after another. I’m happy they’re at least hinting that Ando might get some form of super power because that’s the type of nod to the fans of the show you rarely get from a network TV show (like when “Lost” got rid of Paolo and that other girl a couple of years ago). I won’t say “Heroes” is back because there are many problems (Nathan and Linderman doing the Baltar-Number Six routine all over again?) but I’m willing to stick around to see if Kring & Co. can at least thin the herd a little with some nasty violent deaths.

]]> By: BrettC http://www.tvverdict.com/2008/09/23/heroes-21-the-second-coming-22-the-butterfly-effect/comment-page-1/#comment-1071 BrettC Wed, 24 Sep 2008 17:40:37 +0000 http://www.tvverdict.com/2008/09/23/heroes-21-the-second-coming-22-the-butterfly-effect/#comment-1071 By the way... The ratings came in and HEROES took a super serious blow with the season opener... way under last year. They also took it on the chin with a steep decline in the 18-49 demographic which is what they always had an edge on. I'm sure with DVR numbers it will jump, but otherwise they look like they are heading down. Even worse they dipped lower and lower over the two hours with each 1/2 hour seeing more people flee away from the show. We gots trouble! By the way…
The ratings came in and HEROES took a super serious blow with the season opener… way under last year. They also took it on the chin with a steep decline in the 18-49 demographic which is what they always had an edge on. I’m sure with DVR numbers it will jump, but otherwise they look like they are heading down.

Even worse they dipped lower and lower over the two hours with each 1/2 hour seeing more people flee away from the show.

We gots trouble!

]]> By: Ryan Keefer http://www.tvverdict.com/2008/09/23/heroes-21-the-second-coming-22-the-butterfly-effect/comment-page-1/#comment-1070 Ryan Keefer Wed, 24 Sep 2008 14:06:16 +0000 http://www.tvverdict.com/2008/09/23/heroes-21-the-second-coming-22-the-butterfly-effect/#comment-1070 Yeah, I'm with you on Maya, maybe that's because of how pointless I thought she was in S2. Re: Niki, it should be interesting to see where they take it, but to make her interesting again for the first time in 2 years was nice. Re: Nathan, Good start, we'll see where things go, but I'm with you on the former, but we'll see what gets introduced to the mix I guess. And Mr. Muggles is with Parkman's Dad now I guess, both trying to look for the elusive honey jar. Yeah, I’m with you on Maya, maybe that’s because of how pointless I thought she was in S2.

Re: Niki, it should be interesting to see where they take it, but to make her interesting again for the first time in 2 years was nice.

Re: Nathan, Good start, we’ll see where things go, but I’m with you on the former, but we’ll see what gets introduced to the mix I guess.

And Mr. Muggles is with Parkman’s Dad now I guess, both trying to look for the elusive honey jar.

]]> By: Zayne http://www.tvverdict.com/2008/09/23/heroes-21-the-second-coming-22-the-butterfly-effect/comment-page-1/#comment-1069 Zayne Wed, 24 Sep 2008 13:24:41 +0000 http://www.tvverdict.com/2008/09/23/heroes-21-the-second-coming-22-the-butterfly-effect/#comment-1069 Good rundown. I don't really think Mohinder's storyline has any promise to it but that's probably biased by my strong dislike of him and Maya. I'm really pulling for something cool to come out of Matt's storyline because he's one of my favorite characters and I don't want him to be this season's Niki/Maya y Alejandro. I didn't dislike Niki after watching the previous seasons continuously on DVD, but I'm very excited about this new character, mainly because of her power but I don't think it's actually Niki's body so I'm curious as to how they're connected. Nathan's plotline is walking a fine line with me right now. It could really go either way, a fascinating mental health storyline or a stilted "prophet of God/Linderman" storyline. I'm pulling for the former. Good rundown. I don’t really think Mohinder’s storyline has any promise to it but that’s probably biased by my strong dislike of him and Maya.

I’m really pulling for something cool to come out of Matt’s storyline because he’s one of my favorite characters and I don’t want him to be this season’s Niki/Maya y Alejandro.

I didn’t dislike Niki after watching the previous seasons continuously on DVD, but I’m very excited about this new character, mainly because of her power but I don’t think it’s actually Niki’s body so I’m curious as to how they’re connected.

Nathan’s plotline is walking a fine line with me right now. It could really go either way, a fascinating mental health storyline or a stilted “prophet of God/Linderman” storyline. I’m pulling for the former.

]]> By: Brett C http://www.tvverdict.com/2008/09/23/heroes-21-the-second-coming-22-the-butterfly-effect/comment-page-1/#comment-1059 Brett C Tue, 23 Sep 2008 22:23:36 +0000 http://www.tvverdict.com/2008/09/23/heroes-21-the-second-coming-22-the-butterfly-effect/#comment-1059 Um... where in the hell was Mr. Muggles? Did Sylar scalp him and steal his powers too? Um… where in the hell was Mr. Muggles?

Did Sylar scalp him and steal his powers too?

]]> By: Ryan Keefer http://www.tvverdict.com/2008/09/23/heroes-21-the-second-coming-22-the-butterfly-effect/comment-page-1/#comment-1051 Ryan Keefer Tue, 23 Sep 2008 17:16:48 +0000 http://www.tvverdict.com/2008/09/23/heroes-21-the-second-coming-22-the-butterfly-effect/#comment-1051 What was Greg Grunberg wearing? Seriously, it's things like that which give me solace that I can choose from Gossip Girl, How I Met Your Mother or Sarah Connor Chronicles in that timeslot. What was Greg Grunberg wearing?

Seriously, it’s things like that which give me solace that I can choose from Gossip Girl, How I Met Your Mother or Sarah Connor Chronicles in that timeslot.

]]> By: Dave Johnson http://www.tvverdict.com/2008/09/23/heroes-21-the-second-coming-22-the-butterfly-effect/comment-page-1/#comment-1049 Dave Johnson Tue, 23 Sep 2008 15:59:01 +0000 http://www.tvverdict.com/2008/09/23/heroes-21-the-second-coming-22-the-butterfly-effect/#comment-1049 I would like to go on the record and say that the one-hour red carpet pre-premiere special was one of the corniest things I've ever seen. I would like to go on the record and say that the one-hour red carpet pre-premiere special was one of the corniest things I’ve ever seen.

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